Message:Ravi Zacharias vs. John Piper about Why Did God Make The Non-Elect

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  1. Piper talks about the wicked "rejecting" God. That IMPLIES exercising the will. You need only read the scripture that God is not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL would come to repentance. Either God is unable to accomplish His will, He didn't REALLY mean what He said…OR man has free will to choose to receive the gift of salvation. He never really answers the question. When it comes right down to it, he cops out "Well, we just have to trust that God will do the right thing."

  2. In summary calvanism is as follows.
    A parent has 2 kids, but chooses only to lavish all his blessing and inheritance on one of his twins, even though both twins are wicked. .
    You can jump through ad many hoops as you like, but that ia the definition of the Calvinist's heavenly father.

  3. 1)God gives fee will
    2) he wishes non would perish he doesn't rejoice in the death of the wicked
    3)free will and sovereignty run side by side
    4) god is all knowing
    5) No one can take us out of his hands, yet we can take ourselves out of his hands
    6) hezekiah was in gods hands and chose to depart from him, after god added 15 more years to his life

    6)god has given free will which he will not violate but yet he already knows the choice YOU will make of your free will becuase he knows all things, however he has not forced you to make that decision, he just knew you would make it. I know choices that my children would make b4 they did it, yet i did not force or violate their free will or make them do it. Any other doctrine stating god only wants to save some is false.
    My bible says god so love the world, not a few people. And the world means people, not the earth, as he hasn't shed his blood for mud and rocks

    Why witness to people if he knows he has refused them a chance at repentance, god is not into wasting time and yes that would be a waste of time to witness to people who have zero chance of repentance
    He has given EVERYMAN a measure of faith.
    Everyman has that measure of faith, yet not EVERYMAN will want to act on it, through there choice
    The bible says I PRESENT to you life or death, thefore CHOSE life.
    People send themselves to hell by refusing to act on the conviction of the holy spirt. We can also ask why wont sinners serve a wonderful God? The bible says they love their evil deeds and hate the light, yet some will by gods grace chose to forsake darkness and trust on jesus. Everyone has the opportunity to trust jesus, but not everyone wants to.

  4. Piper is a Calvinist. Every point of the T.U.L.I.P. doctrines of Calvinism are not Biblical. The Bible is very clear that humans have free will, Jesus died for the sins of EVERYONE, we can resist salvation through Christ, and that we are saved by faith not by works (perseverance). God is "not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9). Does this mean that God's will failed because we know that not everyone will receive eternal life? No, it simply means that God's will was to give us FREE WILL to choose his love or to choose our sins. His will is above all others but the Bible is clear that he chose not to impose it upon us directly which is the point Ravi made. His statement is much more profound than I think many realize.

  5. This debate is useless. I don't know what people with long robes of theological doctorates are trying to achieve. It's like you're trying to prove to each other who knows the bible best. It doesn't matter!

  6. His thoughts are not our thoughts. His ways are not his ways. I see many in the comments who it seems are trying to understand and follow this amazing God..
    Let's remember that Jesus told us "they will know you are my disciples by the love you have for one another"
    So in our debates (which are not a bad thing I believe) let us always seek to be loving and considerate.
    Stay salty, my brothers and sisters! But in the heavenly sense and not the earthly sense 🙂

  7. In other words, God bring all powerful limits himself and power to the definition /promises he's made. So if God defines a square to be a square and then calls it a circle as a circle is defined, God would be unjust in so doing. His word or definition of things meaningless and lies. God is good pure and holy so this is why God can not lie, break his word, or make a square a circle.


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