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  1. I have listened to almost all of Ravi's talks, some more than once because there's so much to digest in one listen, but John here is wrong when he says Ravi has "never ever quoted scriptures". Perhaps in their interactions, yes. But he is just dead wrong in that generalized assertion. But he was invited many times by many churches to preach and I listened to him in person preaching twice. When he did, he did it just like any preacher – to start with the text. But when he was speaking in some context where those in attendance didn't believe in the bible to start with (and there were many of those situations), he opted to use what's easily acceptable to those audiences just so that they would consider the Christian worldview against their own.

    What John and other pastors like him are wrong about is to compare their own church-pastor context to one who is a travelling preacher/apologist context. I always find this comparison unwarranted. Every believer is called to preach the good news but we are not all called to preach the good news to the same categories of people and every listener is different – most definitely the listeners inside John's church are different than the listeners in a largely liberal university or the gathering of communist leaders to which Ravi was at one time invited to.

  2. This is unnecessary overthinking, but this is what happens when you're a calvanist.

    According to the bible, he's in Hell — period.

    Romans 8:1 expressly states: "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus…"

    Does it stop there? Only if you have a deceiving modern version of the bible, translated by calvanists.

    Get a KJV or NKJV bible and throw out your other one so you will see the continuation of that verse:

    "…WHO DO NOT WALK ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, but according to the SPIRIT."

    Once you understand this, the entire bible opens up, and you see that the new testament is doctrine of commands, NOT just suggestions for the sin-repent, sin-repent, "OSAS" so-called Christians.

    They teach you to guage whether you're actually saved.

  3. Why is people discussing such thing about Ravi after he died? How is that fair to him? To talked like you have proof(like seeing it) I don't buy it even when someone I admire talked about it. It might come back to you who are talking seriously about it. Remember even the ONE who have no sin at all is killed like the worst sinner. Please stop being so much obsessed about this sexual allegation.

  4. Ravi Zacharias. What a textbook example of someone having "head knowledge" of the truth without true repentance and faith. A person who has tasted the heavenly gift and shared in the (things of) the Holy Spirit and tasted the goodness of the Word of God…(Heb 6:4-6) but never gone past tasting into personal trust and receiving.
    I remember hearing somewhere of someone who was on a trip to the Holy Land, and their guide was telling a lot of truths from the Gospels and he led them. The tourist took it for granted that the guide was a Christian, but when he talked to him afterwards, found that he was Muslim. The guide knew how to describe facts, but did not believe those facts.
    Head knowledge does not save. Jesus Christ saves through repenting faith that fully receives rather than just tasting.

  5. What Ravi did was wrong, but if you’re going to write him and or his work off, then you have to dismiss Solomon and his writings, David and his writings if you are going to be consistent. But before that even, we need to take the log out of our own eyes first, we only have to give account for ourselves and our actions on the day of judgement, not anyone else’s.

  6. This entire panel is making skeptical assumptions. I question their validity. And he mentioned scripture all the time. You just weren't listening.

  7. The Fruit is not NOT SINNING! That's not the Fruit of the Spirit. If you quit smoking and put away your porno's doing that doesn't mean you have Fruit AT ALL!

    You gotta really be careful of a person who thinks that "fruit" is not "not sinning". Because the Fruit that we are to bare has nothing to do with not sinning. You ever want to learn something very interesting you should research BTK. BTK was a serial killer who had never been caught. Something like twenty five years later a guy decides to write a little story about BTK which by the ways stands for( Bind them Torture them Kill them). So news man does a story on BTK going back over his crimes and asks the question, " Is BTK alive today "?

    Well the Kansas City gets a shock when BTK after having not communicated or killed anyone after twenty years begins writing letters to the local news agency. They don't believe it's him at first so he sends in pictures of "trophies" he took from his victim. If you have never watched this story you really should. Well in the end the cops catch up to BTK, and you know where he was when they caught him?

    He was caught attending the Christ Lutheran and had been a member for over 30 years. He was elected as president of the church council at one point. Isn't that amazing? Research it and watch the stories that are out there concerning Dennis Radar/BTK and youll see that while he attended a church for 30 years he had no fruit. Well what is the fruit? Well it's pretty dang simple………

    Galatians 5:22-23
    "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

    We can't judge each other. And you cant say just because this man did this thing that he isn't saved. Salvation isn't based upon your performance. Just because Ravi didn't show any signs of fighting his issues doesn't mean that he wasn't.

  8. Always shocks me how the "great leaders" can't just say, well we are human. I'm not a psychologist, im not Christ. I have no place. If anything, I hope Christ has mercy for that sinner. As I am a sinner.
    For the servant cannot be the master only to be like the master.

  9. The church is a fine way to sharpen/encourage each other, but I think the strength of an individual's faith is 100% more important! There are many times in scripture and in history where servants of God had no group, but they loved God so much that they always remained faithful, even in harsh testing!

  10. “When you have finished committing sin, sin is not finished with you. The first cost is high, but it is only the down payment. You keep paying in your conscience, in your body, in the suffering you produce for your family, your friends, and your community. — Ruth Copeland

  11. The gospel I would say is the main message of the Bible, it is the work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God and what He did on the cross for all of humanity.   
    But, before talking about Jesus and the cross, we need to look at the problem of humanity, the problem every one of us is faced with. Despite the efforts of any person, we cannot earn our way to heaven. Romans 3:23 says: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,". Anyone can examine themselves and know that even though, yes, sometimes we can do good, we also do evil at times. We commit moral crimes, and we rebel against God, which the Bible calls sin. We lie, we steal, we blaspheme God, and we can lust and have hate for our brother in our hearts. These are just some of the sins more than likely every person on earth has committed. God is loving, holy and merciful among other attributes but He is also just, perfectly just. Like any crime, sin has to be punished. If God did not punish sin, then He would be unjust. He would be corrupt. Someone has to take the punishment. Romans 6:23 says: "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.". This is talking about spiritual death, not physical death; if you die in your sins then you go to hell. There is good evidence that humans have souls. Near-death experiences are one of those evidences. There is a part of you that lives on past your physical body.  
         God sent His only Son to earth about 2000 years ago, His Son is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the promised Savior of the world. He fulfilled hundreds of prophecies by coming to and being in our world. Jesus was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life and was crucified on the cross as a payment for our sins. God poured out His wrath on Jesus in our place, meaning the justice of God is satisfied and sin is punished. While we were still at enmity with God, God still wants to save us, Romans 5:8 says: "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.". Three days after Jesus was crucified, He rose again proving that His payment was enough and that He was who He said He was, the Son of God. There is real-world evidence for the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. This is not just a nice story.

            Scripture tells us to repent, to put our trust in Jesus, and to follow Him as Lord. Repentance means a change of mind which means to turn from a life following sin to a life following Christ. Salvation is a free gift and it cannot be earned. No one can be perfectly moral on their own, it is impossible. This is the only way to be in the presence of God in heaven. It is important to reiterate that we cannot save ourselves; it is the gift of God for one to be saved. God is rich in mercy and ready to forgive, cry out to Him, be sincere when coming to God, this is not a flippant thing. Repent and place your trust in Jesus Christ alone, today is the day of salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9 says: "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.". Salvation is a gift. 

          There is no other way, Jesus Himself said that He is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father but through Him. Jesus is not just a way, a truth or a life. Romans 10:9 says: "That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;"

  12. This a wasted discussion the man is gone and even if the stories are true. You on this panel are not without sin. I have heard the same accusations about John McArthur from women at his church

  13. Hell is an abominable doctrine/concept, especially the Christian version of hell. No amount of finite sin can justify eternal torment.

    That said, Ravi is not in hell as hell is a made up concept by humans.

  14. I wonder if indeed Ravi ever examined himself regularly as per 2 Cor 13;5: “Amplified Bible:
    “Test and evaluate yourselves to see whether you are in the faith and living your lives as [committed] believers. Examine yourselves .Or do you not recognize this about yourselves [by an ongoing experience] that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test and are rejected as counterfeit”..?

  15. …and MacArthur is back with more lies and ignorance. There's so much I can say about the fallacy of these guys, but I'll correct at least this…Ravi, though of course not perfect, quoted scripture more than any speaker I know. To say it wasn't a part of his life is sheer ignorance. Additionally, his need to speak with philosophies and other knowledgeable understandings is because he often defended the faith to those who questioned the very existence of a God, Jesus, and the incomparable nature of the Bible. It was philosophies as we understand it, it was just truth and history that often most don't understand. The reach of these men is scary…but this is what they do. So…live on I say, live on.

  16. I have no idea how to pray nor think about all this scandal surrounding Ravi. I do know that the Holy Spirit of God ministered to me through Ravi's podcasts

  17. Maybe Zacharias was a wolf in sheeps clothes, maybe he apostatized, maybe he was never in the faith. Who knows. Parable of the sower says you can fall away, there is no OSAS.

  18. Did Ravi believe and live this?

    “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures”
    1 Corinthians 15:1-4

    If he did then he is a Christian no matter what for Jesus died for Ravi. But the life he led made him an “erring Christian” for which Jesus will determine his eternal fate on judgment day. We do not have the right to say Ravi was not a Christian in this case.

    If he never believed and never responded to the gospel of Jesus Christ in repentance and baptism into Christ, then yes, one has the right to call him a non-Christian.

    We need not wonder especially in front of thousands of listeners on YouTube on matters only God has the right to judge. Judge not lest you be judged. Luke 6:37.

  19. I wonder…. if every Christian, including myself, will have any unrepentant sin in that moment. The fact that men, even the ones that are placed in high places by other men have these types of sin and possibly others to cover up, does that mean that we are less sinful because our sins may appear to be less hurtful to others or smaller in some sense humanely speaking? To God, sin is sin; small, big, or otherwise. We must be careful to be quick to condemn the soul, as we may in fact be condeming ourselves by default. We can judge an action, but to condem the soul belongs to God. It is possible that the Lord will take a person in order that the person may not completely leave the Lord because of that coninual sin. If a man after God's own heart can sin this way by taking the wife of a friend, and leading that friend to be murdered, and still get into the kingdom after repentance, let us leave the unanswered question of salvation to the One who searches the heart. Every person on that stage, in the building there and every person writing and reading comments here must make sure that we are daily examining our own salvation. Calling out sin as sin, yes. Condeming the soul, no. That is up to the person sinning and what he or she does with conviction of the Holy Spirit.

  20. Here is some very important truth about salvation that everyone needs to hear. I'm beyond grateful that the holy spirit has lead me to this truth. Remember, Jesus said it is HARD to get into heaven. Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 13:24 Jesus says to "STRIVE" to get in (TO BELIEVERS) and STRIVE in the Greek language is to AGONIZE! Please, watch this simple teaching. Thanks…

  21. I believe the bible speaks of gossips and busybodies as well, but according to John MacArthur, unless you end up on the "I pick this one over here" after God plays Eenie, Meenie, Miney, Moe, it doesn't really matter what you believe.

  22. I lament the sad fact of what happenend with Ravi, but I as a believer have to focus on walking with God. I have my own carnality that I struggle with. I cannot judge Ravi, that prerogative alone belongs to God.

  23. These gentlemen make some good points. However, having heard Ravi speak on a number of occasions, he revealed a deep understanding of spiritual matters and the Christian faith that I doubt the Holy Spirit would reveal to a non-believer.


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